It's Hard For Me To Find A Church

[Party man 47]

I am having trubble finding a church to attend in ether Corning or Red Bluff. Maybe, I'm to fussy but I can't seem to get past sertin things that may seem unimportant to others.

First, I don't like a church that does not follow their own teachings. I was baptised Cathalic and went to catacisum. As I got older I relised that the curch did not follow what I was being tought. For example, they don't follow the theird catacusim. That is only the tip of the iceberg.

Churches also attempt to get us to follow the laws of both the old and the new testamet. First you need to conceder that the laws and covenets of the old testamet are what we needed to survive in that time pirod, none of which apply to todays survivel. The old testamet says not to eat meat over three days old. Why you ask, because of spoilage. Now we have refriduration and that law does not apply. You can't say we don't need to follow that law, of the old testamet, but we have to follow the law that we can't be intamet out of wed lock. This is an all or nothing situation. The latter, by the way, is for population control. During the crusifiction of Jesus he says "father it is done." This statement is notice that all of the covenets of the old testamet are compleated. This brings to a close all of the old testamet and leaves us with what Jesus was teaching his decipels. If you boil down all of the parables to the most basic point you get love. Love for eachother is what Jesus was teaching. This gives the result of having one law to deal with. "You can not commit an unloving act."

Not only do some churches not follow their teachings but they take a sentince or a paragraph out of context. Insted of letting the chapters of the books of the Bible tell you what's up, pastors will take a piece of a chapter out and tell you what it means. I'll give the first example but it will cause a stink, because it is not what the pasters teach. The first example is in the book of Gennisis. Shortly after God had created everything and kicked back putting his/her feet up, on the seventh day. God and Adem were talking. Adem explained that he noted that every anamel had another very similer but differant and he wanted one too. So, God created Eve. What Adem had noted was that every anamal had a male and female. What Adam had no knowlage of was that both male and female were nedded for procreation, until the apple later on. God had not planned for Adem to "be fruitful and multiply." When Eve was made it was not so that the two of them could mate but as the similer looking companion that Adem had asked for. After the apple Adem and Eve began to gain knowlage. It is fairly safe to presume that part of the knowlage they gained was how to preform intercourse and that intercourse is fun and pleasureable. It just so happens that a sideaffect of intercourse is procreation. Sex and pleasure were knowlage gained from the apple. This is what will cause the stink. When Eve was created God did not tell the two of them to go and overpopulate the garden. The punishment for the apple was removel from the garden, the anamels fear of Adem and Eve and Eve's monthly cycle. They were given no instructions and only had the knowlage that they were gaining to lead them. At no time did God say "Adem this is your mate go breed her and overpopulate the Earth." Because Eve was Adem's companion not sexual partner, when she was created, how can we say "God made Adem and Eve not Adem and Steve?" Infact, the oppiset can be sermised, with God being all knowing and powerful. Who are we to assume that God would not notice that man was overpopulating the Earth and useing up resorses faster than they can be replaced and not do somthing? For all we know, God said "to slow the population growth one out of every ten males and females born will not enjoy being sexualy intamet with a person of the oppiset gender." Because of the apple, we not only know that, that intamacy is pleasureable but we now crave it. If God made part of us not enjoy that intamacy with members of the oppiset gender, part of us will seek that intamacy where we will enjoy it, with members of the same gender. It does not matter if I am straight or gay or if someone else is gay or straight, we are all Gods children and he loves us all equaly. We must have faith that God knows what is happining here and and handels problums in a way that we will not notice.

Then there's punishment for breaking God's law. We are tought that God will punish people that breaks his/her law. For some reason, preasts feel that they have the right to do what God is going to handel at the end of time. It seems that some preasts feel that they are equal to God.

Let's not forget the arrogense of some of the churches, in the belief that cristeanity is the only true faith. It does not matter what God is called or Jesus or heaven for that matter So long as a faith bealieves in one God and creater the written text of the faith is the same. That means weather you call God, God, Ala, The Ansesters or the Great Spiret he/she is still that One God. Jesus is Jesus, Mohamid, Budda and the white buffalo. The after life is Heaven, the next life or the sky. God is still God, Jesus is still a teacher/prophet and Heaven is still the place we want to be allowed to get to regardless of what they are called. The teachings are all the same with miner varriations for reagen. Unless someone comes up with a book of the Bible titled the gospel according to Jesus we have no way of knowing everything Jesus did. When Jesus left the decipels and went into the dessert maybe he changed his apperance to that of Mohanid etc. If he can raise the dead he defonatly can change the way others see him. All of the written text says to bring nonbelievers in the faith. The "non-believers" refers to the people that worshop no or meny God(s).

These are the major reasons it is hard for me to find a church in this aria. There are churches that understand the Bible the way I do But not a lot. Than, anywhere people gather in God's name he/she is there and that makes it a church. Thus, where ever I practise my faith is a church, as I am part of people.

[David Louis Harter]

If God made part of us not enjoy that intamacy with members of the oppiset gender, part of us will seek that intamacy where we will enjoy it, with members of the same gender.

Homosexuality is a sin. One must choose to be a slave to Christ; otherwise, one is a slave to sin and will not enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Let's not forget the arrogense of some of the churches, in the belief that cristeanity is the only true faith.

It is not "...some of the churches..." that believes that: It is the Bible that teaches us that Christ is the only way to the Father.

It does not matter what God is called or Jesus or heaven for that matter So long as a faith bealieves in one God and creater the written text of the faith is the same.

You have described Paganism perfectly. Pagans will not see the kingdom of Heaven.

These are the major reasons it is hard for me to find a church in this aria.

That is understandable. It is unfortunate, but it is understandable, nonetheless.

[Mt. Mama]

Homosexuality is a sin. One must choose to be a slave to Christ; otherwise, one is a slave to sin and will not enter the kingdom of Heaven.



It is not "...some of the churches..." that believes that: It is the Bible that teaches us that Christ is the only way to the Father.



You have described Paganism perfectly. Pagans will not see the kingdom of Heaven.



That is understandable. It is unfortunate, but it is understandable, nonetheless.

Party man 47;

If you love our Father, and read His word with understanding, you would see that in fact some of your statements are contradictory. God's laws are the same for all mankind. A spade is a spade. His word plainy states that homosexuality is a sin. There is no other way to interpret that law.

Any Christian Church who has a "Gay" member in its midst and yet does nothing to teach this person Gods law, are themselves committing a sin by not telling/teaching said person the Law. And, futhermore, if after a period of time this person makes no attempt to correct their actions to conform to Gods Law, then they are to dis-associate so as not to corrupt themselves or their families.

Does that mean that being homosexual makes one a bad person? No. Being homosexual is a sin against God. It is His place to judge. Not ours. It IS our place to follow His Law as closely as we can. We are all sinners, else we would be in heaven already! :)

[Della]

Partyman 47, the fact that you seek god doesn't seem to be the issue here. You seem to be seeking acceptance. (IF) you are gay, you should have already known in the pit of your gut that you would not be welcome in a christian church, so there is no reason to continue trying. GOD doesn't accept anyone who breaks his laws. The bible does plainly state this fact. GOD also does not accept homosexuals, rapists, cheaters, murderers the list is endless of who he does not accept. The short end of the list is those few who have turned their hearts in to GOD. Those few are the ones who serve him in every way. With their entire being these few would sacrifice EVERYTHING for GOD. Pleasures is the hardest to give on this sacrificial list. But some take the plunge.

It doesn't matter which GOD, or which faith you believe in, if your whole being is not in it then it isn't meant to be. You may wake up tomorrow and find that you would rather serve GOD than yourself. Then begin taking the necessary steps to complete the tasks GOD sets before you.

Be careful of which GOD you wish to serve. Make sure this GOD is worthy of your soul. Don't sacrifice your soul for a GOD that wishes to put you in misery your whole life just to find out that there is no golden chariot awaiting to ascend you into your majestic kingdom. If your heart tells you there is a majestic kingdom, then you have a choice to either do or not do what it is you are to do to get there. You CHOOSE your own path. No one, not even the most righteous christians can take the responsibility for your choices.

You say you have read some of the bible, and you believe pastors and priests take things out of context. They do! DUH, it is their job and feel that is their duty to make you see what they see in the texts. The only way for YOU to understand the bible your way is to read it yourself. Don't listen to others interpretations of it. You learned how to walk, talk and s**t in your own way, why not religion. If after reading the bible you see that it is contradictory and erroneous then choose another path. If you see that the bible is full of facts and truth then continue and change your ways to fit this GOD's intended purpose for you.

On a personal note: This message is my thoughts only. It is not meant to guide someone to a particular faith but to open eyes only. If you find offense to anything said then.....deal with it in your own way.

[David Louis Harter]

Being homosexual is a sin against God. It is His place to judge. Not ours. It IS our place to follow His Law as closely as we can. We are all sinners, else we would be in heaven already! :)

Indeed! We are not to judge nor condemn: We are to tell others about Jesus Christ and to spread the Good News of the Gospel--that Jesus Christ died on the cross to cleanse us of our sins!

[Party man 47]

Prase God and keep spreading the knowlage of him/her and the promise of everlasting life.Indeed! We are not to judge nor condemn: We are to tell others about Jesus Christ and to spread the Good News of the Gospel--that Jesus Christ died on the cross to cleanse us of our sins!

[Party man 47]

I beg to differ Metropoliten Community Churchs accross the country serve the gay, lesbian, bi, transgender and inter-raciel community and they do provide a holy bonding ceromony for same sex couples. The nearest MCC is in Sacramento, San francisco, Reno or Grants pass. The paster of the Sacramento MCC is rev. elder Freada Smith and she is a lesbian. As for God Not accepting murders, at Calvery the two people that were crusified with Jesus were a theif and a muderer. Jesus told them they would be in heaven before him. My heart has belonged to God for as long as I can remember that is why I read the Bible and compare and contrast other faths. Did you know that the first half of the Coran is the old testamet? So tell me we believe in two different Gods. You can not show me one enstance where the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin unles you take a piece of a chapter. I already mentioned Adem and Eve so this time I'll talk aboue Sodem and Gamoria. Those two towns were not destroied for homosexuality. They were destroied for braking the friendship law which states that when a stranger comes to town you must welcome him into your house and make them at home. The words for sex and knowlage are compleatly differant in the ancient texts. The tree of knowlage was not the tree of sex. When the angels came to town the people wanted to meet them basicly to see if they wanted to friends with them before welcoming them to the town. I agree that pleasure is a stumbling block for us all and we all surcome to it from time to time. After all we are humen not perfict or we all could walk on whater. The edict of love is the easist of all things that God asks of us. I did love my life partner from the day we met to the day he passed and we managed to do what a good deal of hetrosexuals can't manage to do. We stayed a couple up to and beond one of our deaths. I know that I will be with him again when it is my time to go home. It is not the Bible that I have a problum with, what man does with it is. Man has used the Bible and God as an excuse for all sorts of evils like the genocide of the Jews by Hitler and the attack on the twin towers.. Yes read the Bible just remember the chapters don't jump from one topic to another. Man shal not liedown with man and woman shal not liedown with woman is in the chapter dealing with the preasts requirering a sex act of atricion to gain favor of false gods. I have found it difficult not to do what God wants of me. Every time I devate from his/her plan I get a wake up slap to the back of the head, increasing in severity till I get back on course. Here is what I mean. When I became a medic in the USAF I did not study and passed with flying colors. When I took the California state boards for nurses again I did not study and passed. When I got tired of nursing I drove semi-tracter trailer. One of my stearing tires came off the semi and the axel cought fire by traviling at fifty five. I was near Mt. St. helina when it erupted and was shook off the road and layed the rig on it's side. I was driving through Texis on clean and dry roads. When I crossed into Arkinsaw I was on three inches of sheet ice. The rig jack-knifed and layed over in a cement culvert fliping the traler in the air. The trailer came down right next to the cab of the truck. Another inch or two and I would have gone home already. I went back to nursing. It is impossible for me to take offence to your thoughts and feelings because they are yours as mine are mine both of which are equaly valid. My intent in my post was not to prursuade someone to my view but to seek inlitenment each in their own way by stemulating heartfelt conversation about religen. If I really feel the need to congragate I'll go to MCC Sac. I thank you for shareing your views and listening to ming. Got the blood flowing didit not?:yay Partyman 47, the fact that you seek god doesn't seem to be the issue here. You seem to be seeking acceptance. (IF) you are gay, you should have already known in the pit of your gut that you would not be welcome in a christian church, so there is no reason to continue trying. GOD doesn't accept anyone who breaks his laws. The bible does plainly state this fact. GOD also does not accept homosexuals, rapists, cheaters, murderers the list is endless of who he does not accept. The short end of the list is those few who have turned their hearts in to GOD. Those few are the ones who serve him in every way. With their entire being these few would sacrifice EVERYTHING for GOD. Pleasures is the hardest to give on this sacrificial list. But some take the plunge.

It doesn't matter which GOD, or which faith you believe in, if your whole being is not in it then it isn't meant to be. You may wake up tomorrow and find that you would rather serve GOD than yourself. Then begin taking the necessary steps to complete the tasks GOD sets before you.

Be careful of which GOD you wish to serve. Make sure this GOD is worthy of your soul. Don't sacrifice your soul for a GOD that wishes to put you in misery your whole life just to find out that there is no golden chariot awaiting to ascend you into your majestic kingdom. If your heart tells you there is a majestic kingdom, then you have a choice to either do or not do what it is you are to do to get there. You CHOOSE your own path. No one, not even the most righteous christians can take the responsibility for your choices.

You say you have read some of the bible, and you believe pastors and priests take things out of context. They do! DUH, it is their job and feel that is their duty to make you see what they see in the texts. The only way for YOU to understand the bible your way is to read it yourself. Don't listen to others interpretations of it. You learned how to walk, talk and s**t in your own way, why not religion. If after reading the bible you see that it is contradictory and erroneous then choose another path. If you see that the bible is full of facts and truth then continue and change your ways to fit this GOD's intended purpose for you.

On a personal note: This message is my thoughts only. It is not meant to guide someone to a particular faith but to open eyes only. If you find offense to anything said then.....deal with it in your own way.

[Party man 47]

Mostly covered in my reply to Della but I do need to add some to compleat a reply. You may have misunderstood what I was saying so I will as basicly as I can. I do not have issue with God or the Bible. What I take Issue to is man plucking a piece out to make it say what man wants it to say. This is why the belief in one god and the reserection seems so different betweenthe faiths "I had a ball." This sentince can be made to mean several things. "I played in the yard. I had a ball." Seeing the whole thing you know what is being said What man is doing is taking "I had a ball" and saying that this means I had a party. The book says if you die as a marter for the word of God you will be rewarded in heaven. Along comes H.R.Puffinstuff who says that statement means in heaven you will recieve forty virgens because that is his idea of a reward.Set aside the religes segnifigence of the Bible for a moment. The Bible is a historical account of cause and effect compleat with beginings and ends. The laws of the old testamet were as such to ensure the survivel ov man. Some of these laws were don't eat meat over three days old, don't eat meat from an anamal with a split hoof, eat only the front half of an anamal, etc. "a spade is a spade" but when the ground turns to stone it 's time to change to a pick. There came a time when man's knowlage increased and these law were no longer needed. Thus, the covenents to keep the laws in force also were not needed. To bring an end to the laws and covenents in the old testamet Crist was crusified washing away those sins. Basicly saying it's OK for you to wear a shirt that is 50% cotton and 50% polyester if you want now(clothing of mixed weave). Yes, there is several laws that remane. It could drive you crazy trying to remember them. God had an answer for that and Jesus spent his life trying to teach us a simple way to remember them. The comandment that covers all other commandments is "love each other." Let me show you if I love you, can I kill you? If... can I steal from you? If... can I want to have sex with your spouse? If...can Iinjure you by beating you or playing mind games with you? The answer is no. If you are sinning but I can't convence you that you are sinning, if I love you can I abandon you in your hour of need (dis-assosiate you)? If I love myself can I be gay?

For future refrence:
Being gay is not an illness nor can someone be made gay or straight for that matter

A homosexual finds sex with the oppiset gender as discusting and repugnet as breeders find sex with the same gender>Party man 47;

If you love our Father, and read His word with understanding, you would see that in fact some of your statements are contradictory. God's laws are the same for all mankind. A spade is a spade. His word plainy states that homosexuality is a sin. There is no other way to interpret that law.

Any Christian Church who has a "Gay" member in its midst and yet does nothing to teach this person Gods law, are themselves committing a sin by not telling/teaching said person the Law. And, futhermore, if after a period of time this person makes no attempt to correct their actions to conform to Gods Law, then they are to dis-associate so as not to corrupt themselves or their families.

Does that mean that being homosexual makes one a bad person? No. Being homosexual is a sin against God. It is His place to judge. Not ours. It IS our place to follow His Law as closely as we can. We are all sinners, else we would be in heaven already! :)

[Party man 47]

OK from the top. For the sake of argument we'll say homosexuality is a sin acording to the Bible as translted by a man. Unless that man was Jesus, the only pirfect man, may be inadvertently applying his own belief to text that by the time it was found nobody knew how to speak or read. (See attachment to see my real name in the same language and letters, if the translations are correct.)

Yes our word for our creator is God, the Christ is Jesus, God is in Heven and the Bible is the interpitation of God's law. Now, I'm from Mars we call God Fred, Jesus we call son of Fred, God is in the lost city of Atlantis and we call the Bible the book of taboos.. We believe that Fred created everything and he gave us his child son of Fred so that we are forgiven of our errors. If we dont make errors in the book of taboos and if we do make errors we ask forgivnes in the son of Fred's name we will be seated at the right hand of Fred in the lost city of Atlantis. other than the names and some minor inturpative diferancesis there any diferances between the two faiths. the answer is no other than the aformentioned differances they are identacl that means they are the same God. ( remember the first half of the corran is the old testamet of the bible. Just because I call you Geroge does that mean I'm not responding to youHomosexuality is a sin. One must choose to be a slave to Christ; otherwise, one is a slave to sin and will not enter the kingdom of Heaven.



It is not "...some of the churches..." that believes that: It is the Bible that teaches us that Christ is the only way to the Father.



You have described Paganism perfectly. Pagans will not see the kingdom of Heaven.



That is understandable. It is unfortunate, but it is understandable, nonetheless.

[David Louis Harter]

For the sake of argument we'll say homosexuality is a sin acording to the Bible

Unless you are prepared to accept your sin, repent of your sin, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and ask him to forgive your sin, you shall remain a sinner. No sinner shall inherit the kingdom of Heaven.

You are attempting to justify your sin and, thereby, declare it to be a lifestyle choice rather than a sin. You might easily convince yourself of this justification (it appears that you have), and I have no doubt whatever that you will be able to find others who will not only accept this justification but join you in the declaration of your sin as acceptable, a lifestyle choice, and, therefore, not a sin at all. You will, I have no doubt, find members among the clergy who will share your assertions. Many among the clergy are dysfunctional and preach aberrant doctrine--often to increase membership and revenue, and often to justify their own sin.

You will not, however, find God accepting or understanding of your choice, since you are making the conscious choice to be a slave to sin and eschew the gift that Jesus Christ offers you.

[Party man 47]

I posted this thread in an attempt to get people to read the Bible and let the chapters of the books of the Bible interpret themself. I trust that everyone that believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins has an IQ grater than an ameba.

Every time someone teaches somthing they change it slightly and the more times the student becomes a teacher the more of ouhers interpitation is in the information you are recieving.

Unless you have studyed the other religens you can't say that they are not teaching the same info just with differant names and varences in the interputation. Remember it was not all that long ago our ancestors were killing eachother over who's interputation of the Bible is correct the Cathalics or the King James.

[David Louis Harter]

I trust that everyone that believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins has an IQ grater than an ameba.


Plants, animals, and the human animal display an ascending development of organic functions and capabilities. The emergence of the human mind does not mark a great divide within nature but elaborates what is prefigured throughout the life-world. The organic even in its lowest forms prefigures mind, and the mind even on its highest reaches remains part of the organic.

In other words, the basics of the human mind are inherent in simple organisms like an ameba or a paramecium. If you capture the essence of their mind you might construct on it artificial mind functions.

[Party man 47]

You must be useing that hairatic king James' interpitation of the Holy word. Seriously, even a battle of words is still a battle and therefor a hateful act I wish to leave the hateful acts your sin alone and agree to disagree.. There is nothing more pitiful than someone that prefers to be lead around by the ring in their nose rather than read the bible letting The text flow through you. Who I am was determened before my conceptionbut your refusel to read the bible with an open mind and heart and your bigotry is your choice.. By the way bigotry is a sin also. Judge not lest ye be judged.Unless you are prepared to accept your sin, repent of your sin, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and ask him to forgive your sin, you shall remain a sinner. No sinner shall inherit the kingdom of Heaven.

You are attempting to justify your sin and, thereby, declare it to be a lifestyle choice rather than a sin. You might easily convince yourself of this justification (it appears that you have), and I have no doubt whatever that you will be able to find others who will not only accept this justification but join you in the declaration of your sin as acceptable, a lifestyle choice, and, therefore, not a sin at all. You will, I have no doubt, find members among the clergy who will share your assertions. Many among the clergy are dysfunctional and preach aberrant doctrine--often to increase membership and revenue, and often to justify their own sin.

You will not, however, find God accepting or understanding of your choice, since you are making the conscious choice to be a slave to sin and eschew the gift that Jesus Christ offers you.

[Party man 47]

You're argueing over religen and jump on the darwin band wagon.Plants, animals, and the human animal display an ascending development of organic functions and capabilities. The emergence of the human mind does not mark a great divide within nature but elaborates what is prefigured throughout the life-world. The organic even in its lowest forms prefigures mind, and the mind even on its highest reaches remains part of the organic.

In other words, the basics of the human mind are inherent in simple organisms like an ameba or a paramecium. If you capture the essence of their mind you might construct on it artificial mind functions.

[David Louis Harter]

You're argueing over religen and jump on the darwin band wagon.

I was not arguing. I was merely explaining to you that through the grace of Jesus Christ, you can be delivered from the hold that sin has upon you.

All you need do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, confess your sin, repent, and ask for forgiveness. Jesus loves you and wants to deliver you from a life of sin.

None of this has anything whatever to do with Darwin. God made the amoeba and all other creatures. Even the very simplest of organisms is far too complex to be the product of chaos.

[Dirtyshirt]

When I was about 5 years old my very religious Baptist grandmother (on my fathers side) told me that my very religious Jewish grandmother (on my mothers side) was going to burn for eternity for not believing in Jesus.

Both were very good grandmothers to me. I remember telling my Jewish grandma what the other had said....she said nothing in response.

As I grew up, I believe there is a god. Only that I know God IS MUCH, MUCH MORE A BETTER GOD THEN CHRISTIANS GIVE HIM CREDIT TO BE.

There are enough people out there that surely qualify as pure Saints that may not be Christian. To believe that they would burn in hell, it is they that must think very little of god.
Surely, any church that believes GOD would punish good and loving people just because they don't share the same doctrine qualifys them as the anti-christ.......IMO.

There is a huge difference between sin and paying the price for it, then paying the same price for simply not believing in a particular religion's doctrine.

My grandmothers lesson and the teachings of christians have done much to keep me from being a christian. While I may believe in Jesus as a saviour, as long as christians believe the way they do about other religions, I'd never bow at that altar.

I thank my Baptist grandmother for teaching me to believe in a greater god then who she knew.

[Mt. Mama]

When I was about 5 years old my very religious Baptist grandmother (on my fathers side) told me that my very religious Jewish grandmother (on my mothers side) was going to burn for eternity for not believing in Jesus.

Both were very good grandmothers to me. I remember telling my Jewish grandma what the other had said....she said nothing in response.

As I grew up, I believe there is a god. Only that I know God IS MUCH, MUCH MORE A BETTER GOD THEN CHRISTIANS GIVE HIM CREDIT TO BE.

There are enough people out there that surely qualify as pure Saints that may not be Christian. To believe that they would burn in hell, it is they that must think very little of god.
Surely, any church that believes GOD would punish good and loving people just because they don't share the same doctrine qualifys them as the anti-christ.......IMO.

There is a huge difference between sin and paying the price for it, then paying the same price for simply not believing in a particular religion's doctrine.

My grandmothers lesson and the teachings of christians have done much to keep me from being a christian. While I may believe in Jesus as a saviour, as long as christians believe the way they do about other religions, I'd never bow at that altar.

I thank my Baptist grandmother for teaching me to believe in a greater god then who she knew.

I was raised by my maternal grandfather and my mother. My granpa was a Warlock, but if we went to or studied through any church, he only allowed Jehovah's Witness or Seventh Day Adventist.

I never felt comfortable with either of those, or witchcraft (because of the way I was raised).

My first husband was Catholic. Didn't work for me...I've read some of the Koran, some Budha, Confucious, Wicca, and have attended many various "Christian" churches over the years. As well as Shamanism, VooDoo and Native American teachings. Although I am a baptized Pentacostal now, it does not mean that I agree with every thing they teach. I didn't "find" God until I was in my mid forties and then only after a lot of "soul-searching".

I do not believe that any one religion is "The right religion". All are faulty, some worse than others. I do believe that God will judge us according to our works. The Bible teaches that the only way to God is through Jesus Christ. But I cannot look at a Jew, Budhist, Muslim or any one else and know what's in their heart. Thank God that that is His job!

Like Benztech, I find it hard to believe that anyone who is a good person with a kind, loving heart would automatically be cast into a lake of fire for eternl damnation solely because they never knew Christ. A thought keeps circling in my mind, I can't place when or where I heard it. That all those who never knew Christ in this lifetime, will be resurected and ministered to during Christs thousand year reign.

That's enough for now...just some of my thoughts...right, wrong or indifferent.

[John Hunt]

:peanuts:

[David Louis Harter]

:peanuts:

John,

I like peanuts. I like peanuts and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Have you ever been to Logan's Roadhouse in Chico? There, one can eat all the peanuts he wishes and toss the shells onto the floor! It is a wonderful place for someone who likes peanuts and beer.

[John Hunt]

John,

I like peanuts. I like peanuts and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Have you ever been to Logan's Roadhouse in Chico? There, one can eat all the peanuts he wishes and toss the shells onto the floor! It is a wonderful place for someone who likes peanuts and beer.


That's one place that I've never been. I hear about it a lot. Another place that I have never been to is the Sierra Nevada Brewery, I really want to check out the sampler that everybody talks about, samples of many different kinds of beer, all on a round platter, I believe.

[David Louis Harter]

That's one place that I've never been. I hear about it a lot. Another place that I have never been to is the Sierra Nevada Brewery, I really want to check out the sampler that everybody talks about, samples of many different kinds of beer, all on a round platter, I believe.

John,

You must try the sampler at Sierra Nevada. It is a great way to check out a variety of brews. Logan's Roadhouse is a great place to kick back and make a mess without getting into trouble for being messy!

[Mt. Mama]

This morning I was talking with a friend and he mentioned something his father had told him. His very wise father reminded him that Jesus came to save those who are sick, not those who are well.

Many Christians seem to prey on the sick. By that I mean, they love to tell people they're going to hell if they don't change their ways. Instead of verbally condemning a homosexual man here asking for a good church to attend, why not simply... invite him to church?

Party dude man (whatever your nickname is): I'd be happy to take you to the church I attend in Redding. Regardless of whether or not they believe homosexuality is wrong, they'll accept you. This church believes that if you fall in love with Jesus, HE will reveal to you what needs to change in your life. It is not my job. It's not my pastor's job. It is something between you and Jesus. If there is nothing in your life that you feel you need to change, you won't find us badgering you to do so. God gives all of us free will. Your choices are yours alone.

If you'd like to go and you need a ride, give me a call: (530) 924-4355






My statement earler was affirming that I agreed with David, that I too, had read those scriptures. It was not intended to bash anyone. It was meant, rather, to inform and teach. David nor I brought up the subject of homosexuality, PM47 did. We only added OUR views according to OUR religious beliefs. And isn't that the purpose of this forum?

"I" was not being judgemental. Other peoples' lifestyle choices are between them and God. I have known many "gays" over the years, the MAJORITY of which, are sweet, wonderful people. Currently, I have neighbors who are living this lifestyle. They are as good a neighbors as anyone could hope to have.

I hope I have clarified my statements and opinions for you.

[David Louis Harter]

My statement earler was affirming that I agreed with David, that I too, had read those scriptures. It was not intended to bash anyone. It was meant, rather, to inform and teach. David nor I brought up the subject of homosexuality, PM47 did. We only added OUR views according to OUR religious beliefs. And isn't that the purpose of this forum?

Communication on one's personal beliefs is, indeed, the most basic purpose for this forum. The ability to openly discuss issues and base answers upon one's personal beliefs is key to such communication.

I join with you in asserting that it was certainly not my intent to bash anyone. My intent was to share the Good News that Jesus Christ loves everyone and is always eager to cleanse sinners who accept His love and declare Him their Lord and Savior.

In this regard, the following issues are relevant to accepting Christ's gift of mercy and eschewing a life of sin:

Your sinful nature likes to do evil. Do not allow your sinful nature to take hold. You must battle against your sinful nature.

Your choices are never free from this conflict, but when you are directed by the Holy Spirit, you are no longer subject to the law.

Anyone who allows his sinful nature to reign will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven.

We must learn to walk in Godly victory over the lust of the flesh.

One of the primary benefits of living in Christ is freedom from enslavement and addiction.

You are then freed from the power of sin, which leads to death. If God has freed you, you can stand in freedom from sin.

The struggle will bring you victory over enslavement.

Everyone is affected by your addiction/enslavement.

Do not allow anything to keep you from becoming what God intends for you to be. You can do all things through Christ.

It is not just about us getting free from enslavement and addiction. It is about helping our neighbors become free.

[Dirtyshirt]

Communication on one's personal beliefs is, indeed, the most basic purpose for this forum...........I join with you in asserting that it was certainly not my intent to bash anyone.............It is about helping our neighbors become free.

It's difficult even for the more experienced of us on message boards to carry on conversations without the great possibility of mis-interpreting what is really meant.

We don't have the benefit of taking into account body language, a smile, a nod, or other things that comprise personal conversation.

I understand your post above and agree with it's intent.;)

Now please understand it isn't my intent to sway you from your beliefs but instead offer a different perspective. This perspective is only that since a Jew doesn'tevangelize


Regarding Israel, there is an Israel within Israel, and that Israel is the chosen people and is being saved (read Isaiah, Zechariah, etc.). In order for Gentiles to be saved, they must join with that Israel that is being saved, becoming children of Abraham by adoption. Those who refuse are not saved (Gal 3:7).

As Israel was adopted (Rom 9:4) and became the chosen people of G-d, Gentiles must be adopted (Gal 4:5) into Israel. This does not read like Israel must join the churches but that Gentiles must be adopted into Israel (Gal 11:17).

Jews don't need a special invitation from Gentiles to go to heaven when they die.

[Dirtyshirt]

"First, I don't like a church that does not follow their own teachings. I was baptised Cathalic and went to catacisum. As I got older I relised that the curch did not follow what I was being tought. For example, they don't follow the theird catacusim. That is only the tip of the iceberg."

Party Man 47
What did you mean by that? As in, can you explain what you meant by "they don't follow the theird catacusim."

[Party man 47]

The third catacesum states "Do not condem them for who they are, but praise them for their fath."


"First, I don't like a church that does not follow their own teachings. I was baptised Cathalic and went to catacisum. As I got older I relised that the curch did not follow what I was being tought. For example, they don't follow the theird catacusim. That is only the tip of the iceberg."

Party Man 47
What did you mean by that? As in, can you explain what you meant by "they don't follow the theird catacusim."

[Party man 47]

Thanks to all who have replied on this string. It is truly heart worming to know that we all love the Lord God and are willing to defend that love 110%. My appoligies to anyone that felt bashed. fortunatly I did not and I the one that put this forward to stimulate talk.:)

[LittleLady718]

There is one thing I do very strongly believe and feel I must say here, and that is, that if you repent for doing things like raping, murdering, cheating, being homosexual, etc., and you mean it, and you STOP DOING IT, God will forgive and accept you. I also believe that certain religions just aren't "right" for certain people, not that they will all go to hell and burn for eternity, but maybe Pentecostal doesn't work for one person, so they go to Seventh Day Adventist and feel more at ease there, etc. I see nothing wrong with that, as long as they still believe in Jesus and love God.

[Party man 47]

People let us not forget that Jesus was a Jew.It's difficult even for the more experienced of us on message boards to carry on conversations without the great possibility of mis-interpreting what is really meant.

We don't have the benefit of taking into account body language, a smile, a nod, or other things that comprise personal conversation.

I understand your post above and agree with it's intent.;)

Now please understand it isn't my intent to sway you from your beliefs but instead offer a different perspective. This perspective is only that since a Jew doesn'tevangelize


Regarding Israel, there is an Israel within Israel, and that Israel is the chosen people and is being saved (read Isaiah, Zechariah, etc.). In order for Gentiles to be saved, they must join with that Israel that is being saved, becoming children of Abraham by adoption. Those who refuse are not saved (Gal 3:7).

As Israel was adopted (Rom 9:4) and became the chosen people of G-d, Gentiles must be adopted (Gal 4:5) into Israel. This does not read like Israel must join the churches but that Gentiles must be adopted into Israel (Gal 11:17).

Jews don't need a special invitation from Gentiles to go to heaven when they die.

[Chris]

If a person has recieved a poor catechism, that is no reason to leave the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church. An honest, prayerful look at what the Church really teaches will open your eyes. If there is a teaching that I have a hard time with, I realize my weeknesses, I don't disregard the teaching. Why study the half truths presented by John Smith and the church of Billy Joe Jim Bob when you can study the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church. Church is where you take an accounting of your own sins, thank God for his compassion, then give him all glory and honor. It's not about fellowship and ministers with Phd's. Open your eyes to the light of the Holy Spirit which guides the Catholic Church until the end of time. Once you have submitted to the authority of the one holy and apostolic church, the weight of the world will be off your shoulders. God bless.

[David Louis Harter]

you can study the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church.

I believe you are merely operative as a provocateur, wishing to incite argument. Surely, you do not believe what you said.

[Chris]

I believe you are merely operative as a provocateur, wishing to incite argument. Surely, you do not believe what you said.
I don't speak French, so I don't know what you mean. Since there should be one flock, it is my job as a Catholic to evangelize and help the Holy Father gather in the lost sheep. I believe what I said. I am only here to give testimony to the Truth. I prefer to stay in the bounds of Sacred Scripture, but the writings of the early Church fathers can also be useful.

[David Louis Harter]

I don't speak French, so I don't know what you mean. Since there should be one flock, it is my job as a Catholic to evangelize and help the Holy Father gather in the lost sheep. I believe what I said. I am only here to give testimony to the Truth. I prefer to stay in the bounds of Sacred Scripture, but the writings of the early Church fathers can also be useful.

I apologize for my apparent misinterpretation of your objective. My degrees are in English and psychology--not in theology. I am currently working toward a degree in theology, but that is a relatively recent pursuit. I began these studies only a few months ago.

As is often the case with Internet conversations, I have apparently misunderstood what you intended to convey. For this, I apologize.

[Dirtyshirt]

.......Why study the half truths presented by John Smith and the church of Billy Joe Jim Bob when you can study the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church..........

Very interesting, I can understand how that might get someone who attends the church of, "Billy Joe Jim Bob" to get their hair up.

Much like a member of, "Billy Joe Jim Bob's church" saying that a Mormon, Jew, or Buddhist, doesn't know the fullness of truth would get their hair up.

Simple psychology I suppose.

[Chris]

Before I would try to learn calculus I would first want to learn basic arithmatic. All I was trying to convey was to start at the beginning first. One church was started by the apostles but many,many came some 1500-1600 years later, hardly the beginning.